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Prove Srila Prabhupada's position as the initiator
Foreword by Dr. Kim Knott
Professor of Religious Studies
Leeds University, UK
Originally requested for submission to a
Special Committee of the GBC of ISKCON in October 1996.
Movement to renew ISKCON
The Final Order
Published by the ISKCON Renewal Movement (IRM)
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Foreword by Dr. Kim Knott ------------------------------------------------ -
Foreword ------------------------------------------------- --------------------------
Introduction ------------------------------------------------- -----------------------
The evidence ------------------------------------------------ ----------------------
Objections, directly related to the shape and the
Circumstances of Srila Prabhupada's Last Instruction ----------------------
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Other related objections
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Relevant quotations from the teachings of Srila Prabhupada
• Does the guru have to be physically present? -------------------------------
• Follow the instruction, not the body --------------------------------
• The books are enough --------------------------------------------- --------
• Srila Prabhupada is our eternal Guru --------------------------------
To all G.B.C. members and temple presidents
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Letter from July 21, 1977 -------------------------------------------- ----------- 122
Letter from July 31, 1977 -------------------------------------------- ----------- 124
Srila Prabhupada's will
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Private conversations ------------------------------------------------ ------- 131
Tamal Krishna's Pyramid House Confessions -------------------------- 139
His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
the International Society for Krishna Consciousness
Dr. Kim Knott, Senior Lecturer in Religious Studies, University of
While doing research for a paper I recently did
on the subject of “Impressions from initiates and outsiders on Srila
Prabhupada, ”I noticed that I briefly studied the
to meet the various views that the devotees have regarding the
Disciplinary succession and the role of gurus after Prabhupada's departure in
Represented in 1977. Of course, I was already in the time of crisis after the fall
known individual gurus and also the shock waves and sadness that the
initiated students, the God Brothers and God Sisters. How many
I had hoped that by the end of the 1980s, guru reforms carried out the
Difficulties in leadership and initiation in ISKCON would be eliminated.
Now that I have reconsidered the matter in preparing the treatise
looked at, I read some of the arguments for and against the current system,
as well as the works of other scholars on the questions of the guru and the discipleship.
It was clear that the matter was still very topical.
In one of the most recent scientific treatises on “The
Institution ”in Volume 5 of the
Journal of Vaisnava Studies
explains Jan Brezezinski
various aspects of the topic and emphasizes the importance of a qualified,
is a charismatic leader for the future of ISKCON. His view
is only one of many, but it shows the power with which this subject is
aroused the interest of people inside and outside the movement.
explain it and discuss the questions raised therein. When reading
of the book, there was no doubt for me that this was one thing that
is of enormous importance for ISKCON and the many devotees are very important
Heart lies. It seemed to me that
the book about important theological questions
spiritual authority and its transference as well as over the relationship
between the disciple and Krishna's representatives, the Guru and the
correct objects of devotional worship. As an outsider is
it is nigh on impossible for me to judge the matter (and I am not
able to use the evidence presented here against the evidence for the present
System to be weighed). Still, I can do what is presented here
will recommend, as a serious attempt at reasoning, that Srila
Prabhupada a system of
-Gurus that he intended
had to initiate students in his place. I hope the book is carefully
read and discussed at length, not because I support his position
or reject it, but because of the profound questions it raises at all
Levels demand attention. Every devotee goes through this matter
Undoubtedly, as an outsider, it is unwise for me to get involved
by writing such a preface, but my motives are
still my interest in movement and benevolence towards everyone
Preface to the fifth edition
It's been a decade since 1996 saw the first edition of
has been printed. Originally I described
"Discussion paper on Srila Prabhupada's instructions for initiation
gen in ISKCON ”. No one who knows the movement would deny that
this treatise sparked a lot of "discussions", and thus its goal, this
Bringing the matter into the public eye has achieved.
It would now be difficult for the leadership of ISKCON to claim credibly
that she was unaware of the legal documents that were held by Srila Prabhupada
personally signed and clearly showing his intention the only one
) for the spiritual movement that he founded
has to stay. It is these legal documents that are at the heart of the
form which now all over the world
Has found widespread use and is available on the Internet. There are still
still needs to be translated
(As of September 2008, the following translations were available:
French, Spanish, German, Russian, Chinese, Hindi, Bengali,
Kannada, Czech, Italian, Hungarian and many more in preparation).
In addition, the management of ISKCON has a blanket ban on distributing
of the book in all ISKCON centers. For these reasons, the
broad masses of ISKCON still haven't read the treatise, despite
extensive media coverage and controversy. But
at least for the most senior members of the leadership of ISKCON and the
Gurus is ignorance of Srila Prabhupada's instruction on the spiritual
Initiation no longer an excuse. In the introduction to
we wrote, we thought it was:
“Highly unlikely that anyone willfully direct a
Instruction of our founder
disregarded or others to it
causes them to be disregarded. "
In view of the excuses, the concealment of facts, the brutal
Oppression and the outright dishonesty of the GBC, regarding
, the above point may need to be revised
There is now a worldwide organization by the name
Renewal of ISKCON (IRM)
and which was specifically established to publicize the book's conclusions
close. She has a website with over 100 treatises (www.iskconirm.
com) by the same author and publishes a quarterly magazine called
Back to Prabhupada
which has thousands of subscribers
received worldwide for free. About the activities of the IRM worldwide in
reported to the media, including many newspaper reports and
on BBC. The IRM also lectures at major academic meetings
held, including at the International Cultic Studies Association (Interna-
national association for cult research), CESNUR and the American Academy of
Religion (American Academy of Religions
from various academic publishers
and educational publishers, including the Colombia University Press,
Martin Luther University Halle-Wittenberg, Continuum International Publish
ing and facts on file. Thanks to this media, the IRM became in large parts of the
Scholarly world recognized as a reforming force within ISKCON. since
Establishment of the IRM has a growing number of devotees and centers of the
ISKCON around the world the conclusions of the book
Frequently asked questions about the ISKCON Renewal Movement
The IRM is an organization made up of ISKCON devotees from all over
Composed of the world who want society back on the
right path and strictly follow the instructions of its founder, Srila
2. Why does the IRM exist?
The spiritual purity and general reputation of ISKCON has increased since
after the departure of its founder on November 14th, 1977 massively deteriorated.
Srila Prabhupada founded ISKCON in 1966 all by himself, as a great one
Present to the world and aserging, it presents a spreading dynamic
Strength, a beacon for humanity. Sadly, she's in today
About to dissolve. A fact admitted in a memorandum
which the then chairman of the GBC, Ravindra Svarupa das, im
“So the question remains: what should we do now? How should we go with
our polarized and disintegrating society? "
Instructions and rules are traced back to Srila Prabhupada in the first place
Line, however, on its replacement as the only one
The movement for renewal of ISKCON is to make ISKCON their previous one
To give back magnificence, purity and philosophical clarity by all
Instructions and rules of Srila Prabhupada are reinstated,
starting with his role as sole authority and sole
the ISKCON. The position of the IRM is set out in the position papers
No Change in ISKCON Paradigm (No change in
set out. These two papers are also on
available on our website: www.iskconirm.com
3. Is the IRM separate from the ISKCON?
It is a movement within the movement, consisting of ISKCON-
Members who want to reform and renew society.
4. Is the goal of the IRM to start a new movement?
No. The aim is to find the original ISKCON as Srila Prabhupada gave us
left behind to restore. As soon as this is achieved, the IRM
5. What would change if Srila Prabhupada was the only one again
First of all, the most fundamental tenet of spiritual life is
that we can only progress if we follow the instructions of the Guru
if the Guru asks for milk and we bring him water,
then how can he be pleased? And if the guru is not pleased how can
then do we ever approach Sri Krishna?
For nearly three decades, ISKCON has not done what Srila Prabhupada has done
has arranged. Since Srila Prabhupada left his body, we have
not allowing him to be even one person over
to initiate. This is the only system of initiation and its continuation
in society he has ever authorized. When the ISKCON members
again following his instruction, they will please Sri Krishna, and the whole
spiritual success should of course follow. By being
Disciple of Srila Prabhupada everyone who has the same direct relationship will too
end the fragmentation. For the first time in nearly thirty years it will
give a united team spirit and everyone will work towards the same goal
- To serve and praise Srila Prabhupada and Sri Krishna. Many ISKCON-
"Gurus" are addicted to serious, sinful activities and when they are
leaving the movement they often take hundreds of thousands of dollars and many
of their followers with. This continued loss of property, members and
Trust will end when trust is only in Srila Prabhupada
and not in fallible substitute "gurus". The money that's currently
around 80 "gurus" as their students
skim off (free money),
will instead flow into temples and make them healthy and strong.
6. How can the IRM be so sure that its position is correct and
The IRM considers their position to be correct as they are signed, legal
Documents that were addressed to the entire movement. On the
on the other hand, the GBC has at least three completely contradicting one another
official positions presented (none of which are supported by legal documents
is occupied) and therefore, technically speaking, it has no position to be completely closed
mention a real one. We want to emphasize that these are different
Representations not only contradict each other, but occasionally
also contain contradictions in itself. For example, if we only have the
consider simple question of when is Srila Prabhupada supposed to be his replacement
-Guru is supposed to have authorized ISKCON, then we'll get them
the following answers from the following three official GBC papers:
Srila Prabhupada gave the instruction
for gurus at the same time as the instruction that devotees act as his representatives
should act and this happened on
"[Gurus and initiation in ISKCON], GBC 1995)
Disciple Of My Disciple
appointed and were ready
"Means" vicarious
Prabhupada's Order [Prabhupada's instruction]
(Badrinarayan das, 1998):
the eleven acted entirely as gurus, but stayed in
Presence of Srila Prabhupada on etiquette.
Above we see that the GBC gave three different dates for
the day Srila Prabhupada allegedly approved his replacement.
refers to a conversation in the garden,
a meeting of Srila Prabhupada with some of his senior disciples while
refers to the signed initiation instruction, according to which this
Book is named. As a result, each GBC position paper tells a different story
History. What Makes Everything Worse:
In March 2004, at its annual meeting in Mayapur, the GBC officially moved
back, and secretly admitted that
it would contain "lies" and "straighten the truth". It was
originally questioned
had (see introduction) and the fact that it is now so shameful
has been withdrawn, the position of the IRM
It is pretty obvious that there is confusion among the members of the GBC
it matters when the following
-Gurus have been authorized. The
IRM argues that this is inevitable since Srila Prabhupada never does
-Gurus who are supposed to replace him, but only created
-System that he left in place without instruction that it
should be ended. On this basis, we argue that the GBC
must first decide on a position and only then will we be in
be able to judge their effectiveness.
The sad thing is that even today, everyone who makes the contradicting statements
of the GBC doubts, is relentlessly driven out of society.
If you would like more information about the IRM, including
a free subscription to our magazine or questions about the content of the
want to ask, please write to the
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This booklet is a humble attempt to set out the instructions that
Srila Prabhupada left the Leadership Council (GBC) about how his
Initiations in the International Society for Krishna
Awareness (ISKCON) should be continued. Although we on several
Treatises and articles will be referenced by the senior devotees
ISKCON was published on this topic, we will mainly focus on
refer to the latest manual of ISKCON for the initiation, which
“Gurus And Initiation in ISKCON
, which under section 1.1
the Laws of ISKCON is mentioned.
"The GBC is with the position paper,
agree that the last
regarding Srila Prabhupadas
Wish for the continuation of the student succession after the divorce
Formed by His Divine Grace, and accepted it as valid law for that
[See Part II: GBC Position Papers in this volume.] "(
the GBC makes it clear that it has inconsistencies and
Wants to remove contradictions from the ISKCON standards and laws that
generally concern, making a final
(philosophical conclusion) would be introduced. We
fervently pray that this treatise will serve exactly the same purposes.
In the interest of ever greater consistency and philosophical purity
that is, we feel that there is still a contradiction or two
is not fully entered and for the one more
Investigation and discussion would be beneficial. Even if the treatment
some questions that are raised-to address these contradictions-
hen, may seem quite radical, even painful, we can feel that
can greatly reduce future confusion and potential discrepancy,
if we ask ourselves these questions now. It's not the first time that the
Guru systems in ISKCON undergo a rather radical test.
have to pull. In the past, symbols were removed, ceremonies
changed and paradigms shifted - all of this without long-term for all
many disruptions to worry about.
Overall, ISKCON is undoubtedly the most important company
on the planet. It is therefore imperative to remain vigilant at all times in order to
make sure they are not even a millionth of a hair's breadth of
the parameters related to leadership and philosophy deviate from our
has set. Srila Prahupada has repeatedly emphasized that
we do not change what he has so carefully and painstakingly built up, new
invent or speculate about it, but simply carry it on
should. What a better time than Srila Prabhupada's hundredth
Birthday (1996) is about the way we continue his mission exactly
under the microscope?
We strongly believe that the current guru system is within the
ISKCON fully in line with Srila Prabhupada's last undersigned
Instruction should be given regarding this matter; namely
with his last instruction on initiations that took place on
(see appendix, p. 115). Sometimes people question why
this letter is thus emphasized over other letters and doctrines. As
Defense we just want to reiterate a principle that the GBC
"Logically, later statements are more important than before
Since the letter of July 9 was really the
against the entire movement
If the first instruction regarding initiations is in ISKCON, it must be in a
own category. It will be shown that the
complete acceptance and implementation of this instruction in no way in
Contradicts the teachings of Srila Prabhupada.
We are not interested in conspiracy theories, nor is it our
point of view, the gruesome details of the spiritual difficulties that some
unhappy people experience, bring to light. What happened is
happen. We can certainly learn from past mistakes
but we would rather the way to a positive future of the reunification
pave the way for forgiveness and forgiveness as we long with past scandals
to stop. According to the author, the majority of devotees aspire to be in the
ISKCON sincerely to please Srila Prabhupada; that's why we keep it
highly unlikely that anyone would willingly give an instruction to ours
disregard or induce others to disregard them.
Still, it seems that in the past nineteen years, certain
Deviations from the details of epistemology and type of leadership
somehow found general acceptance in the ISKCON. We pray that
We can do something to help identify these gray areas to avoid unnecessary ones
Obstacles on the path of devotional service to Srila Prabhupada
and get Krishna out of the way.
In this booklet we will be presenting signed documents as evidence.
genes issued by Srila Prabhupada personally, as well as nie
writing of conversations all of which the GBC recognizes as authentic.
Then we will go into detail about both the content and the context
Look at these materials to see if they mean literally
or whether there are instructions to the contrary that provide an alternative interpretation
justify their importance or their area of ​​application. Further
we will discuss all the relevant philosophical issues related to that
to be raised with this evidence and answers to all common ones
Objections to a literal understanding of the document above
the July 9th initiation system will be brought forward. At the end will be
let's look at how the “system of vicarious
Instruction of July 9th is described so that it can be introduced
the least possible disturbance is caused.
We will base our arguments solely on the philosophy and the instructions
support Srila Prabhupada in his books, letters, lectures and un-
conversations. We humbly ask for the grace of all Vaisnavas,
to help us so that nobody takes offense at our book and we do
important mission of His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta in no way and
Everyone who knew Srila Prabhupada often noticed his meticulous manner.
The meticulous attention he devoted to every detail of his
Serving was one of the qualities Srila Prabhupada displayed on
most awarded; and to those who have served near him, she was
an unmistakable proof of his deep love and devotion for Sri Krishna. Be
all of life was the execution of the commission of his spiritual master, Srila
Bhaktisiddhanta, and he fulfilled this duty with an indescribable one
Diligence. He left nothing to chance, always correcting, guiding and rebuking his
Student in his endeavor to build ISKCON. His mission was that
Center of his life.
It would certainly have been completely atypical of Srila Prabhupada one
important matter such as the future of initiation in his beloved
Society unclear or ambiguous, or on this point
to give rise to debate or speculation in any way. This is true
especially considering what happened in the mission of his own
spiritual master too. As he often stated, this was mainly due to the
Use of unauthorized guru system destroyed. With this knowledge in
At the back of our minds, let us begin with the facts, which are not shared by anyone
On July 9, 1977, four months before leaving his body, Srila presented
Prabhupada has an initiation system that is carried out by
Used.Srila Prabhupadaginstructions that his system
come into force immediately and from this point in time
(see Appendix, p. 115) should apply. This instruction, everyone
Members of the leadership council and all temple presidents of the International
Society for Krishna Consciousness was sent, ordered that new ones
From now on students should be given spiritual names and that these
Mantras appointed by the eleven
should act in the name of Srila Prabhupada, so all new
Initiate disciples of Srila Prabhupada would. Srila Prabhupada surrendered
so the complete decision-making authority over who initiates
and he made it clear that from this point on he would no longer
had to be asked for advice. (Details of the duties of a
Immediately after Srila Prabhupada's departure on November 14, 1977, continued
-System inoperative. By Gaura Purnima in 1978, the eleven had
-Gurus ingested each specific
Managed zones and initiated students on their behalf. The mandate
that this allowed was an alleged instruction from Srila Prabhupada, loudly
who alone she to him as initiating
should follow. A few years later
this was divided into zones
-System questioned and replaced,
System was reintroduced, but by
Additionally dozens of other gurus were employed, along with one
sophisticated control system to deal with deviants. The
The reason for this change was that the instruction to become a guru
applies to this, but a general instruction
was for anyone who strictly adhered to the instructions of Srila Prabhupada and
received a two-thirds majority of the GBC's votes.
The above presentation is not a political opinion, it is a historical one
Fact accepted by everyone including the GBC.
As noted above, the July 9th letter was addressed to all members of the GBC and
sent all temple presidents and remains the to this day
signed instruction for future initiations, the Srila Prabhupada
ever spread to society as a whole. As a comment on the
July 9th directive, HH Jayadvaita Swami recently wrote:
"His authority is beyond question [...] It is clear that this letter
The source of the controversy arises from two changes, which are subsequent to this
otherwise unambiguous and authoritative instructions have been made:
That the appointment of deputies or
was temporary and after Srila's departure
Prabhupada had to end.
After their deputy function has expired, the
-Gurus become candidates as their own
Initiate disciples and not as disciples of Srila
The reforms of the zoned
System which around the year
Took place in 1987, left these two assumptions untouched. Thereby formed
precisely these assumptions form the basis of the system which will be replaced
should. We call the above points a) and b) changes because
these statements appear neither in the letter of July 9th itself nor in
any other ordinance or document issued by Srila
Prabhupada was issued according to this instruction.
clearly sticks to the above
“When Srila Prabhupada was asked who after leaving
his body would conduct the initiations, replied
he, he would "recommend" and give his "instruction" that some
of his students during his lifetime in his name and thereafter as
"Regular gurus" should conduct initiations, their disciples
then would be Srila Prabhupada's grandchildren. "
Over the years more and more devotees have begun to gain legitimacy
to question these fundamental assumptions. For many they became
never adequately confirmed and therefore has an uncomfortable feeling of
Doubt and distrust both inside and outside of society
set. Currently bringing books, papers, and e-mail newsletters
Websites almost daily updates about the ISKCON and it supposedly
apostate guru system. Anything that some form of solution to this
Controversial, must be positive for everyone, the Srila Prabhupada's movement
really cares.
One point on which everyone agrees is that Srila Prabhupada is the highest
Authority for all members of ISKCON. So it is our duty to his
to carry out the last instruction, no matter what it was. Another
The point of agreement is that the only one signed
Policy Statement Regarding Future Initiations, to be given to all
Company executives sent the instruction dated Sept.
It is important to note that in
not even of existence
of the July 9th letter is mentioned, although only there the original
be mentioned at all. This omission is a
Should represent the matter.
So let's look closely at the July 9th statement to get out
to find if it actually contains anything that does above
Assumptions a) and b) supported:
As mentioned earlier, the July 9th order stipulates that the
"Henceforward" ("from now on")
should be adhered to. The special word
, has only one meaning, namely
This is true both according to Srila Prabhupada's previous one
Use of the word, as well as the meaning given to it in English
Language arrives. In contrast to other words is the word
unambiguous, because according to the dictionary it has only one definition. Both
other 86 occasions documented in the Vedabase on which Srila
has used nobody even has
considered the possibility that the word is anything else
mentioned that this system was used at Srila Prabhupada's departure
should stop, nor is there any mention of the system
his presence should apply. The argument that the entire
even if we get the word from the letter
take nothing changes.
There is still a system then that Srila Prabhupada four months before
his departure and no subsequent instructions,
to end this. Without such a counter-instruction, this letter must be sent as a
Srila Prabhupada's final instruction on initiations to be considered and
should be followed accordingly.
Supportive instructions
There are further statements from the days that followed the letter of July 9th
Srila Prahupada and his secretary who clearly state that
was intended to be continued without termination:
"... initiation process to be followed in the future."
to become and act on my behalf. "
to become and act on my behalf. "
In these documents we find words like
"Henceforward" ("from now on")
all on the durability of the
System. There is no testimony from Srila Prabhupada that either
only suggests that this system should cease upon his departure.
Subsequent instructions
System was introduced and put into effect
Srila Prabhupada never gave an afterthought to end it. As well
Little did he say that it would be overridden upon his departure
should. Since he may have been aware of the fact that something like that was due to
misunderstanding or any other reason, he submitted
at the beginning of his will states that the then valid
must be continued within ISKCON and not be changed
May - an instruction made by an addendum that is only nine days
was made before his departure, remained untouched. Certainly would be
this has been the perfect opportunity to do that
if that had been his intention. That the use of
who give names to the initiates, part of the
can be clarified as follows:
In 1975, one of the GBC's preliminary resolutions endorsed the
sole responsibility for management matters "
standing are some of the
-Matters with which to deal
that year the GBC addressed:
“It takes six months to get the initial inauguration
have been a full-time member for a long time. For the second inauguration
should be at least another year after the first initiation
(GBC Resolution No. 9, March 25, 1975)
"Method for inaugurating
(GBC Resolution No. 2, March 27, 1975)
These resolutions have been endorsed personally by Srila Prabhupada.
They show that the methodology for carrying out initiations of
Srila Prabhupada as part of the
Methodology for performing initiations as a part
understood, must therefore
Initiation, namely the use of
to bestow spiritual
Names, fall under the same guidelines.
System of initiation was therefore a direct one
Violation of Srila Prabhupada's last will.
Another instruction in Srila Prabhupada's will that provided the
System is where it says that the
Managing director of his permanent land and real estate in India
only from the circle of Srila Prahupadas
"... a subsequent managing director or several managing directors
can be appointed by the remaining managing directors,
provided the new managing director is my initiate
(Srila Prabhupada's will, June 4, 1977)
This is one thing that could only happen when following Srila Prabhupadas
Passing away continues one
-System of inauguration remained valid
would be, because otherwise the source of potential CEOs would one day
Furthermore, every time Srila has Prabhupada after July 9th from
Initiations spoke, just that
-System confirmed again. He never has
indicated that the system should or should cease after his departure
that there are gurus who are already in the starting blocks, ready to play the role of
-gurus to take over. So it seems, at least something direct
Evidence does not relate to any evidence for the aforementioned assumptions a) and b)
give. As I said earlier, these assumptions make - that that
his differing should be ended, and that the
- the very basis of the current guru system of
ISKCON. Should they prove to be invalid, it will certainly be a radical one
Rethinking the GBC may be necessary
The above represents the background. The instruction itself as well as the
Supporting and retrospective instructions can only be used for continuation
-System speak. It is admitted by all concerned that Srila
Instruction to terminate the
Has issued a different decision. Furthermore, it is accepted by all parties involved that
that in effect from July 9th
should kick.So we are in a situation where the
a clear instruction on how to obey a
has not given instructions to comply with the
As a result, a student who legitimately wishes to quit must be required
Instructions to follow, can provide solid reasons why he does this
does. The only thing Srila Prabhupada actually shared with us was
System should be followed. He never told us that we would
ought to stop obeying it or that we obey it
during his physical
Presence. The burden of proof lies in the two that are in a system
has introduced and intended for future use,
want to quit. This is obvious; you can't do whatever you want
stop following the guru's instruction:
“... according to the process, one can follow the instruction of the spiritual
7.76-81, Lecture, 2.2.67, San Francisco)
A student does not have to opt for the continuation of a direct instruction from the
Gurus justify, especially not when told that he is
should continue to obey them. This is irrevocable - this is the meaning
“When one becomes a disciple, he can receive instruction from the spiritual
Master not disregard. "
. Lecture, February 11, 1975, Mexico)
Since there is no direct evidence to prove that
Srila Prabhupada's departure should have been abandoned if they could
Arguments for abandoning it can only be based on indirect evidence.
Indirect evidence could arise from the specific circumstances among which the direct
Instruction has arisen, result. These extenuating circumstances, should
they could exist as a basis for interpreting the direct literal
Instruction can be used. We will now examine the circumstances that
surrounding the July 9th statement to find out if there were any
Situation changing circumstances could actually have existed, and whether or not there was
consequently something exists that supports assumptions a) and b).
Objections directly related to the
Form and circumstances of Srila Prabhupada
“From the July 9th letter it is clear that he was only for the
Was thought to be the time when Srila Prabhupada was physically present. "
Nothing in the letter indicates that the instruction was only for the time
in which Srila Prabhupada was physically present. The fact is that the only one
Information that is given, the continuation of the
Supported Prabhupada's departure.
It is important to note that in the letter of July 9th stated three times
becomes that the initiates would become disciples of Srila Prabhupada.
In presenting the evidence of the current guru system, the GBC
vehemently argued that Srila Prabhupada had already made it clear
that in his opinion it is an inviolable law that no one in
could initiate his presence.
Hence the need for it
to indicate that future disciples will be disciples of Srila Prahupada,
mean that the instruction was intended for a period of time
to be valid in which the affiliation of the students is a question
could, namely after his departure.
Srila Prabhupada had used alternates to stand up for several years
-beads of the initiate to chant the fire-
-Mantra to give etc. Nobody had ever doubted to whom
the newly initiated belonged. At the very beginning of the letter of July 9th it says
expressly that the appointees
be from Srila Prabhupada.
The only innovation contained in this letter was the formalization of the
Role of deputy; this is something that is hardly possible with a direct statement,
-Gurus can be mistaken for being. Srila Prabhupadas
Emphasis that the students are his students would therefore be completely superfluous
if the system should only have been valid in his presence,
especially since he was responsible for himself as long as he was physically present
was able to ensure that no one mistakenly adopted their students as their own.
As mentioned earlier, this point is
contained in a letter sent to
is pretty short and to the point.
“As soon as a thing is emphasized three times, it means it
. Lecture, 11/27/68, Los Angeles)
The letter of July 9th states that the names of the newly initiated students
should be sent. Could this be a sign
that the system should only last as long as Srila Prabhupada is physically
was present? Some devotees have argued that that
must have lost its validity as we no longer have the names in Srila
Can send Prabhupada.
The first point that needs to be considered is the purpose behind the
There is instruction that the names should be sent to Srila Prabhupada,
"Book of the Initiated Students"
can. We know from the July 7th conversation (see Appendix p. 134) that
Srila Prabhupada has nothing to do with entering the new names in this book
had to do; this was done by his secretary. Another proof
that the names should and should not be sent for entry in the book
specifically to Srila Prabhupada, is given in the letter that comes next
Day was written on Hamsadutta in which Tamala Krishna Goswami gave him
"Shall you send the name to be in Srila Prabhupada's" book
initiated students "can be accepted."
(Letter to Hamsadutta from Tamala Krishna Goswami, 7/10/77)
There is no mention here of the need to give the names to Srila Prabhupada
to send. The process could be simple after Srila Prabhupada's departure
to be continued. Nowhere in the last statement does it say that all
Initiations must stop when that
"Book of the Initiated Students"
physically separated from Srila Prabhupada.
The next point is that the process of sending the names from scratch
initiate disciples on Srila Prabhupada definitely an activity
actual initiation is
The names could only be sent
the students had already been initiated. That is why an instruction can
of initiation is not used
be to procedures before or during initiation in some way
to change or interrupt (the role of the
The actual inauguration ceremony takes place). Whether the names
Srila Prabhupada may or may not be sent does not affect that
Initiation system since the initiation at the time of the names
ready to be sent has already taken place.
The final point is that when sending the name to Srila
Prabhupada an important part of the ceremony would be the system before
Srila Prabhupada's departure would have been invalid, or at least permanent
was in serious danger of being invalid. It was clear to all that Srila Prabhupada
was ready to go from us. Therefore, from the first day on which the
Instruction has been issued, the risk that the names will no longer be sent
could. In other words, if we consider the possible scenario that
Srila Prabhupada leaves the planet the day after a disciple over
System was initiated, then the student would be according to the above
Claim has not actually been inaugurated, and only because of it
the time it takes for the post to be delivered. We find in Srila
Prabhupada's books make no mention of the transcendental
, the completion of which can take many lifetimes, from the
Vicissitudes of the postal service can be hindered. Certainly there would be
nothing that would prevent the names of the newly initiated themselves
"Book of the Initiated Students"
registered by His Divine Grace
become. This book could then become an appropriate one for Srila Prabhupada
Time to be handed over.
2. “The letter does not explicitly say‘ This system will be after Srila
Prabhupada's departure to continue ’; therefore it was right that
-System to end at Srila Prabhupada's departure. "
Please consider the following points:
The July 9 letter does not explicitly state:
End of Srila Prabhupada's passing "
. Still, it immediately became his